Maui

[Designer]

What the heck is up with all this conflicting reporting?

[Herb]

What the heck is up with all this conflicting reporting?

The dims in charge are doing a "cover your ass" with the assistance of the dim controlled media.

[Herb]

Another article on the ineptitude of the authorities and the loss of life. The "authorities" really screwed the pooch on this one. When people in charge sccrew up, people die.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/maui-moth ... ing%20News

[Designer]

Another article on the ineptitude of the authorities and the loss of life. The "authorities" really screwed the pooch on this one. When people in charge screw up, people die.

Right you are, Herb!

The title of this Article tells THE TRUTH about the huge ineptitude of..."the authorities".


Only Those Who Disobeyed Survived Some Maui Survivors Had To Ignore Local Government To Stay Alive

LILLIAN TWETEN August 23, 2023

Residents in West Maui faced a barricade that blocked the only paved exit out of town when they attempted to escape the raging wildfires, according to the Associated Press, forcing them to evade the authorities’ obstacles.

Residents encountered a gridlock caused by several Hawaiian Electric trucks that were replacing telephone poles along the road to Highway 30, and received instructions from electricians to turn back into Lahaina, AP reported. Some died in their cars while others swerved around the barricade or used dirt roads to escape.

“It made no sense what they were doing,” Cole Millington, a resident, said, according to NBC News. “They could see the sky was black. They could see the city was on fire. They could see the wind was still whipping everything around. But they were already starting to plant new power poles.”

Many residents could not escape the traffic and abandoned their cars to jump in the Pacific, making the gridlock even worse, according to The Washington Post.
“The gridlock would have left us there when the firestorm came,” Kim Cuevas-Reyes, a resident who drove into the wrong lane to escape, said, according to AP. “I would have had to tell my children to jump into the ocean as well and be boiled alive by the flames or we would have just died from smoke inhalation and roasted in the car.”

The wildfires have burned approximately 2,170 acres in Lahaina, according to CBS News. There have been at least 115 deaths.

Hawaiian Electric did not immediately respond to the Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for a comment.

[Herb]

Let me throw a little "racial" context on this unneccesary death count.

ALL of the bad decisions that got people killed were made by native Hawaiians, who, BTW are also DEMOCRATS...

https://freedompress.com/fema-trains-on ... -increase/

There’s 1000 people still missing in Hawaii, but rather than help them FEMA has time to sow racial discord & do training on diversity & “white supremacy”

[hillsy v2]

All class...

[Designer]

Here is Report of a Mother who found here son's charred body holding his dog's charred body,...and yet,...we have sucking leftists like hillsy who just refuse to face the horror that his fellow leftists CAUSED upon others,... and instead post Personal Attacks on Board Members;

Tells you all you need to know about the moral character of hillsy right there


Maui mother racing home to her boy was held up by barricade and told area had been cleared. She returned later to find his body clutching his dog.
JOSEPH MACKINNON AUGUST 24, 2023

Hawaiians have been subjected in recent weeks to a horrific ordeal that saw Maui transformed into a crematorium and hundreds of lives lost. It appears as though bad government maximized their suffering.

Progressive politics reportedly helped set up Maui to burn and delayed the supply of critically needed water. Distrusting of how the public might react if given a proper warning, Herman Andaya, the now-resigned administrator of the Maui Emergency Management Agency, chose not to sound the alarm when wildfires started to ravage Lahaina. While other officials had been warned years in advance that the historic town faced high wildfire risks, they dragged their feet on preventive measures, partly resulting in a "lack of early evacuations and unpracticed escape plans,"
according to the New York Times.

It is now also clear that those who survived the blazes were often residents who disregarded orders from local and state authorities. Misplaced trust in those authorities reportedly all but guaranteed one mother's bereavement.

Luz Vargas ran a cleaning service in Lahaina and was working the day her town was reduced to ash and ruin. Her adopted son, Keyiro Fuentes, who would have turned 15 on Sunday, was five miles away at home, enjoying the last day of his summer vacation.

CBS News reported that when Vargas and her husband, Andres, learned about the threat of the fires, they jumped in the car and desperately tried to race home to their son.

"I was told, 'Don't go, don't go,'" Vargas told CBS News. "But I responded, 'My son.'"

Encountering gridlocked traffic and in a race against time, they ditched their vehicle and continued on foot. However, they were met with another obstacle: a police barricade. NPR reported that police were barring people from going toward the firestorm.

"I told them my son is still in our house. I said he's at this house on this street," Vargas recalled, noting that a language barrier further frustrated her efforts.

"That's when I got down on my knees and threw my hands in the air," said Vargas. "And then I disobeyed."

Vargas slipped past the officers on melting flip-flops and was reportedly taken by a man on a motorcycle to the fiery front. When she attempted to enter the fire zone, first responders reportedly assured her the area had been cleared, that no one remained, and to "have faith" that her son had escaped.

With the understanding that their son and others in the area had been cleared out, Vargas and her husband waited for the boy to turn up at Honokowai Beach, routinely checked in with authorities, and tried calling around.

Unable to find or hail Fuentes, Vargas made her way home two days later, where she discovered that the area had not been cleared and that at least one person remained.

The mother found her boy dead in his bedroom, still clutching his dog.

"He was not as I expected, in ashes. God maintained him like this. So we knew it was him," said Vargas, who prayed over Fuentes' body, "Please God, hold him for me."

Andres and Vargas' son Josue reportedly wrapped the boy's charred body in a tarp and carried it a half-mile to a police station.

Josue, the victim's brother, told CBS News, "He was too young. If we still had time, I know he would have been a very, very, very good man."
The Associated Press indicated that barricades erected by authorities did not just slow Vargas' rescue efforts in town, but prevented some Maui residents from escaping the hellish blazes.

West Maui residents attempting to flee the fires attempted to exit via the only paved road out of town, but authorities had reportedly set up a barricade, barring access to Highway 30. As a result, numerous cars were sent back into the flames, resulting in a number of people perishing in their vehicles.

Those who disregarded the barricade managed to survive, including one family who ignored the barricade and drove around it. Having ignored the instruction of authorities, the family ended up safe and secure in a nearby town 48 minutes later, reported the Associated Press.
A man who similarly had no time for these restrictions drove his four-wheel-drive vehicle down a dirt road to safety, while another went uphill to safety — precisely where Herman Andaya worried residents might go if he sounded the warning sirens.

While the fire department had reportedly temporarily closed the Lahaina Bypass road due to the fire, thereby sealing the only route out of Lahaina to the south, Maui Police Chief John Pelletier later claimed officers never prevented people from getting out of town but rather sought to prevent them from driving over downed power lines.

[hillsy v2]

It's a fucking tragedy - but blaming black people who are not of your political persuasion is even more fucked up.

[sgtcall]

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[hillsy v2]

Never miss a chance for a conspiracy.

[Designer]

Never miss a chance for a conspiracy.

So,...suck-face. ..... please explain how A Fire SO HUGE....fueled by What HUGE AMOUNT of VERY COMBUSTABLE fuel.,...could get SO HOT...that those two cars were SO HOT that they melted the aluminum ENGINE....EVEN THE WHEELS (into a river of molten aluminum)......BUT a fire THAT RAGING HUGE,...didn't spread beyond the field and keep burning.

[hillsy v2]

Never miss a chance for a conspiracy.

So,...suck-face. ..... please explain how A Fire SO HUGE....fueled by What HUGE AMOUNT of VERY COMBUSTABLE fuel.,...could get SO HOT...that those two cars were SO HOT that they melted the aluminum ENGINE....EVEN THE WHEELS (into a river of molten aluminum)......BUT a fire THAT RAGING HUGE,...didn't spread beyond the field and keep burning.

They call them spot fires over here. Our country is usually either flooding or on fire for about 6 months of every year so we've seen this stuff happen quite regularly.

Go back to your basement.

[Designer]

They call them spot fires over here. Our country is usually either flooding or on fire for about 6 months of every year so we've seen this stuff happen quite regularly. Go back to your basement.

Cute,...but does NOT explain how the quite thick aluminum Wheels melted ENTIRELY into a river of molten metal....AND the aluminum Engine melted.
There simply is NOT enough Fuel to make a Fire Hot enough,..and burn LONG ENOUGH..... to melt such items.

Also,...your cute little... "spot fire"...DOES NOT explain how the entire neighborhood RIGHT NEAREST THE CARS,...experienced NOTHING .....EVEN THOUGH there was DRIED GRASS.....THAT WAS BURNING...that goes ALL THE WAY OVER TO A HOUSE you see in the video.


Best YOU go back to your Bed,....you are FINISHED here.

[hillsy v2]

You're an expert on bush fires now Springy? Have you ever SEEN one?

Didn't think so.

You should make another tin foil hat - I think that one you have on is starting to melt

[Designer]

You're an expert on bush fires now Springy? Have you ever SEEN one? Didn't think so.
You should make another tin foil hat - I think that one you have on is starting to melt

Never said,..nor even implied,...that I am an expert on brush fires. Had you ANY brains,...you'd see I am ASKING QUESTIONS....not Speaking as if I am an Expert.

Now,...back to the discussion,.....Why are you evading the reasonable questions I asked you?
You seem to think you know about brush fires,......so ANSWER THEM....

Here,...since you show is all you are being DELIBERATELY IGNORANT,.....,...I'll repost them for you;

Cute,...but does NOT explain how the quite thick aluminum Wheels melted ENTIRELY into a river of molten metal....AND the aluminum Engine melted.
There simply is NOT enough Fuel to make a Fire Hot enough,..and burn LONG ENOUGH..... to melt such items.

Also,...your cute little... "spot fire"...DOES NOT explain how the entire neighborhood RIGHT NEAREST THE CARS,...experienced NOTHING .....EVEN THOUGH there was DRIED GRASS.....THAT WAS BURNING...that goes ALL THE WAY OVER TO A HOUSE you see in the video.

[hillsy v2]

Dude - it fucking happens all the time.

Google "burnt cars bushfire" and you'll see a stack of cars with melted mag wheels next to trees still with their leaves.

Do some fucking research for once instead of falling for the first bullshit conspiracy theory that drops in your lap.

[Designer]

Sorry, but the images I found do not have trees with the leaves on them right near the cars... if any leaves are in the pictures,...they are FAR away.
And none of them have a pooled line river of molten aluminum from a totally disappeared wheel .

You are evading again. Why didn't this LARGE HEATED fire,..capable of melting the ENGINE parts,...NOT keep burning the HIGHLY FLAMMABLE ...AND BURNING grasses.......keep going all the way over to the house?

The fire just...."choose to stop" ?.....even though it had PLENTY of VERY DRIED GRASS.... to KEEP ON BURNING (as IT WAS ALREADY DOING) ,...and had burned ALMOST all the way to the Home?

You're a fool.

[Herb]

I don't like this video, it has no context and it appears that those cars burned more than a few days ago. Add in the fact that 2 cars are parked in a field, all alone and they had to be placed there after jumping a curb, it doesn't make sense.

As for melted aluminum, a gas and oil fire with the rubber tires burning will get hot enough to melt it and melt the glass.

I do have some experience with fires as a volunteer fireman, after working on forest fires, logging the burns from forest fires and I have been through Navy shipboard firefighting school.

What is strange is the way these cars were parked and burned... Looks like it was flat out on purpose, not part of the fire we are talking about.

[hillsy v2]

The only fools here are the ones that don't know the intricacies of bushfires.

Those fools would rather believe there's a conspiracy at play.

I guess it makes more sense if you're ignorant.

[Designer]

hmm,....As a counter point,....I see no evidence that these cars "jumped a curb".....could you point that out to us?

And,...in the video,...they do say the Maui Fires were ..."more than a few days ago"....when they mention the green grass growth.

And as to being parked in a field? ....they are far away from a home,...however, there is a White Exterra in the background parked on,...Grass...away from a home. So, this sort of parking might be what the Residents do.

My friend who is a Firefighter...mentioned that some aluminum wheels can melt in a sustained fire,....but to have a river of aluminum...going that far away from the heated burning i s just not possible with just the car's gasoline available, and no other fuel to sustain the fire/heat needed to flow that far way.